River Song is…..
If you’ve not watched the mind blowingly amazing latest episode of Doctor Who, don’t worry. I’m not going to spoil it for you! (And if you have I don’t need to, right?). My theory about the identity of River Song still holds though, with a few tantalizing lines confirming it even more in my mind.
River Song is…….
The TARDIS.
More accurately, she is the TARDIS from the future (after….. y’know… that THING happens) regrown from Amy’s Ring. That’s why she can fly the TARDIS, write Gallifreyan and keeps a dairy (her “memory bank”) that looks an awful lot like the ol’ Police Box. As she is regrown, her Chameleon circuit is working too, which is why she looks amazingly like Alex Kingston. And yes, that does mean that River Song is bigger on the inside than she is on the outside.
Don’t go there.
Want more proof?
Add an L from somewhere (I’m sure they’ll invent a middle initial or something) and River L. Song is an anagram of Lover’s Ring. Ok, it’s a stretch, but worse anagrams have been made in Doctor Who :D
In this episode she says to herself “Oh Doctor. It’s amazing I let you out” – something only the TARDIS can say!
The TARDIS is The Doctor’s constant companion, friend, ally, and has proven time and again (no pun intended) that she is utterly devoted to him. In a way, she IS his wife. The TARDIS has demonstrated her ability to create Sonic Screwdrivers which explains how she got one in Silence in the Library.
As to what on Earth she is up to, and what’s going to happen next episode, I haven’t the foggiest idea.
But I do know one thing.
It will be amazing.
In Moff, we trust.
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Okay the biggest mystery is . . . when does the TARDIS achieve sentience and a human body???
IF you’re right, of course.
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about 2 months ago
The TARDIS has always been sentient. It’s a living thing, grown not made. With a working Chameleon Circuit it can turn into anything to disguise itself, though only one of the more advanced TARDISes (the Type 102s, like Compassion) could actually appear to be fully mobile living beings.
I am wise in the ways of the Time Lord :D
about 2 weeks ago
I think this theory has some strong intuition about it, did you know River Song also has itself a very interesting Anagram,
Servo Ring
Servo – Servo motor or mechanism, Means of powered automatic control of larger system (servo assisted, -mechanism, -motor). ? Tardis
Ring ? Amy’s ring
about 2 months ago
If your theory doesn’t turn out to be at least partially true, I’m going to be disappointed. Actually, quite a few of us are now. Very intriguing thoughts!
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about 2 months ago
Glad you like my silly little idea :)
Fingers crossed!!
about 2 months ago
I actually had a similar thought right after Silence in the Library aired but didn’t discuss it since most don’t know about the different TARDIS types and are not familiar with some of the Big Finish audio stories that show more of her sentience.
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about 2 months ago
I don’t understand the “grown from Amy’s ring” bit. Where are you getting that from? The new series has established that a TARDIS is grown from alien coral, not a bit of jewellery from Argos.
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about 2 months ago
Lol! Maybe it turns into a TARGOS.
After a few billion years in the nothingness of space at the end of time, I guess anything could happen. Also, remember that Amy’s Ring was placed in the centre console on the same spot where the new Sonic Screwdriver appeared. The TARDIS could easily have altered its structure and awakened it then.
Just a thought, anyhow.
about 2 months ago
I think it’s certainly possible that River could be the TARDIS, but I’m not sure the ring has anything to do with it.
I’m sort of hoping that the TARDIS doesn’t get repaired for the next series, and they revive Bessie for a series of Earth-based adventures. ;)
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about 2 months ago
Nice theory. My only concern is why would River Song as a Tardis need a Time Agent’s vortex manipulator to reach the doctor?
about 2 months ago
That’s easy.
Every TARDIS needs a pilot.
Without the pilot, she cannot time travel. Hence the need for the vortex manipulator.
Which also explains The Lodger episode rather neatly too :D
about 2 months ago
Rivers is the Doctor’s daughter – half time lord. The whole of season 5 is a projection of David Tennant who dreams up Amy from a crack in the universe and dreams himself regenerated in a vastly inferior body.
…wishful thinking…
about 2 months ago
I don’t think River is *the* TARDIS but is more likely a part of it incarnated in human form. Either that or she’s Amy Pond somehow, but that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.
Those are the only realistic two possibilities, since Moffat has pretty much severed all ties to the RTD-era and has said that no RTD-companions will return (the montage at The End of Time was to say goodbye to all them, not just the Tenth Doctor). Also, The Rani is too obscure of a villain to return as someone that important.
I’m kind of hoping that she turns out to be Donna Temple-Noble, who somehow regenerated after living a long life which fixed her mind to be able to hold most of the Doctor’s knowledge and memories (and also recovered her own that had been taken away). She would not be the DoctorDonna but something more in-line with Meta-crisis Ten. Now THAT would be a major mind screw and reveal (considering she’d also, you know, have the Doctor’s memory of her own future death and be unable to ultimately change it as it’s a fixed event), but it’s really not possible considering the ‘no RTD-companion’ mandate.
So yes, she’s either the TARDIS or Amy.
about 2 months ago
Nice idea on the anagram.
Does the doctor’s daughter count as an RTD companion?
I’d love to see her again, I mean they just sent her into outer space and completely forgot about her.
I can imagine her coming in out of nowhere.
River song cant be the doctor’s daughter or else some incest would have to ocurr.
Oh well, tonight I’ll know for sure
about 2 months ago
No such luck there. Nothing earth-shattering was revealed about River and I didn’t really expect there to be.
I seriously think that River is just River and nobody else, and that all the mystery surrounding her is really just to keep the viewers interested.
about 2 months ago
I have heard something about the truth of River being told in the next season. Could she be the one to kill the Doctor and by that I mean kill-kill the Doctor by stopping both hearts which is the only way to stop a regen?
That however leaves massive plot holes in the Doctor Who lore; it’s well known that the Villyard is a future Doctor and at some point they have to show this, sooner I hope as a true, dark Doctor Who would be something to see, maybe before Smith ends his run as DW?
If River is a future Amy, then I feel sorry for Amy’s new husband. What is it; kill him off every season? Hey, it’s a new South Park Kenny.
Also, that voice in the Tardis “Silence will Fall” one, well it’s believed that will at some point turn out to be Omega, who again, like the Villyard, is meant to be a future/last regen of the Doctor. Again River can’t kill the Doctor, without Omega there will be no Time Lords and also if you question about the Doctor being Omega, why do the Time Lords call the Doctor, the Doctor. A little to formal unless he is *that* important.
The more important question is this, with the new Big Bang caused, will the Time Lords be back- seeing as the Doctor’s DNA was also resorted in the light?
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about 2 months ago
Who knows what Universe 2.0 is like? They’ve done a cosmic reset, but in such a way that things may be different to how they were before. It’s certainly possible that Gallifrey has been restored, or not, but they now have that option, which must be liberating for the writers.
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about 1 month ago
thats what i thought. there are a hundred possibs. about who the doctor can be now the univers is restored.
about 2 months ago
what? no, just no. if she is the tardis, why did she need a vortex minipulator. and it is so far-feched, i doubt it
about 2 months ago
We’ve already covered this one – she is a TARDIS without a pilot. Hence the need for the vortex manipulator.
about 2 months ago
Try this one:
River Ariell Song:
Anagram for Real Girl Version (form of the TARDIS).
Even without her middle name it is “RG Version”
Bonus: Ariell means “Lion of God”
about 2 months ago
river song could be Rose and then david tennant doctor who clone could come back too… thru the crack….
about 2 months ago
I hope not, we’ve seen enough of Rose. I really liked her in Series 1 and 2 and think her story should have ended at Doomsday, as tragic as it was. Her Series 4 appearances (except in The End of Time, which was set pre-Ninth Doctor) left a lot to be desired.
I still hate what happened to Donna, despite her semi-happy ending in The End of Time. The whole metacrisis thing could easily be used as a hook to bring her back somehow, since she *is* still half Time-Lord despite the memory block and she could possibly regenerate upon her eventual death. Sure, she’d have a different face but would eventually be BFFs and travel with the Doctor again, being again “his most faithful companion”.
The Libary? A fixed point where she must die, else Donna and the other 4000+ people remain trapped in CAL and Davros destroys reality. What’s heartbreaking about this is that River would fully know what’s going to happen, having both Donna and the Tenth Doctor’s memories of it. She would have lived far longer (more than one lifetime) than she rightfully should have and was with the Doctor again, so she’d be content with that.
Pretty wishful thinking, though. The odds are close to zero of that happening, since I think River is probably just River and nobody’s future form, and her first meeting with the Doctor will probably be as an enemy.
River giving Amy the diary though? Whether that means anything or not, you can bet Moffat put it there just for everyone to speculate “Oh, what if she’s Amy somehow?”…
about 1 month ago
Piont: to add to that (or second it or watevz) if she hadn’t sacraficed herself on the silence in the library, then donna wouldnt have surived thus it may bepossible that donna is rive-especially as i dont think river is completely human. ;)
about 2 months ago
River and donna were in the library together….
And we still have to deal with the doctor’s daughter… (she kisses through jail bars like River), she calls the doc. sweety – she is a timelord…
Or else maybe River is a throw-up from Galifrey…
Hard to think she is the tardis because she only appeared last season… also it is a kind of unattractive prospect … ich…
I still thinks she is the doc’s daughter… and in some coming episode he’ll meet the original daughter again time travelling (which will blow amy’s mind) and she will meet a sticky end and have to regenerate in the form of rivers…
about 2 months ago
Enhas, the diary got returned at the end of the episode, so Amy didn’t keep it, and likely didn’t even read it, as it was blank while she had it.
Am I the only person who thinks River is fine just being River?
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about 2 months ago
No, I’m just fine with River being River but I like to put out a crackpot theory here and there.
Interesting about Jenny, since it was Moffat who wanted her to revive at the end, and considering he’s said that River’s story arc was long planned… I really hope she’s not Jenny though.
More things about River:
- She is someone extremely feared by the Daleks. Of all the New-Who companions, only Rose and Donna fit that. With ‘River is River’, It is more likely that what River is feared for hasn’t happened in the Doctor’s timeline yet, which will probably be next season.
- She said that the next time they meet that “everything changes”. Who else spoke multiple times with those exact words in the past? Jack Harkness. Plus they’re both from (or at least lived in) the 51st century, used the same gun and (most likely) the same vortex manipulator. At the very least, they may be related somehow.
about 2 months ago
Here’s one. The natural assumption is that the “good man” River murders is the Doctor, but what if it’s Captain Jack?
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about 2 months ago
Jack is the face of Bo.
about 2 months ago
‘River Song’ is an anagram for Rover’s Gin.
I think that K9 goes out drinking with his robotic dog buddies, and he overindulges. Several martinis (and a hooker) later, he starts feeling queasy. He races to the washroom, leans over the toilet and vomits up River Song.
about 2 months ago
Lol! I think you’ve finally found the truth of it all :D
about 1 month ago
Good point.
It’s also an anagram of Rev’s Groin (I think any theory about that is self explanatory) and Govern Sir – she could keep a man as a slave.
about 2 months ago
I think River is Romana!
about 1 month ago
I think you’re right. I was watching an episode from the series with Martha in it, sorry I don’t remember which one..and the Tardis is called the ‘doctor’s bride’.
about 1 month ago
Moffat has said that there are no such things as paradoxes and continuity errors in Doctor Who, because everything can be explained by the Doctor fixing it off-screen.
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about 1 month ago
dosent the doctor get a type 40 TARDIS when he regenerates into matt smith though. (:
about 1 month ago
also what if river song ‘IS’ the doctor, she could just be a later regeneration of him, he doesnt always have to be a guy?
about 1 month ago
Maybe the Doctor has to kill himself and he’s so pissed off about it that he regenerates as a girl? lol
about 1 month ago
very interesting thought, River being the Tardis or a part of it. But I have to think of her death. How can the Tardis or a part of it end up on a hard disk in the Library when the Doctor needs his Tardis?
about 1 month ago
Well, despite all of you crackpots out there, I think that The Christmas special is when the Doctor meets River… or at least a river that hasn’t met him yet. They’ll all go on some crazy adventure and at the end of the episode, she’ll hitch a ride in the TARDIS. They’ll fall in love in series six, and possibly get married in the 2011 Christmas special.
about 1 month ago
Naaaa, Rivers not hot enough, it’s about Amy and the Dr., the meatball will get killed off or never have existed again. It has to be about the Dr and AMY or it gets boring.
about 1 month ago
All them theories are wrong because what ever the future was has now changed because of the alternate reality created in the last episode
about 1 month ago
http://www.iwatchdoctorwho.com/season4/episode15-planet-of-the-dead/
Maybe River is Christina? Is anybody thinking that? :’D Could be very likely, at least in my opinion. And should be very interesting anyway. It would be nice to get Christina back to the series.
And sorry if my English is pathetic. I am from Finland.
about 1 month ago
And i am 13 years old.
about 1 month ago
Hello Christy! You are the first person to suggest Christina and I’m surprised she hasn’t been mentioned before. It’s very possible, definitely.
Your English is excellent, by the way :)
about 1 month ago
Mmm, but Christina sort of annoyed me. As awesome as she was, and your English is very good.. I think River’s going to become the companion in S7 or S8, simply because we eventually do need to see her in some sort of chronological order.
And she probably isn’t Amy, because (for one thing – and DW does keep SOME things simple) her name sort of isn’t Amy, and the same object at different points in its own timestream asplode, or make a big bang. Which would have been obvious. And time travelers (and River’s relatively conscientious about being one as we see) would try and stay away from their past… Incarnations.
I do like the whole Tardis theory, or at least an incarnation of her, especially the way that she can fly her (ditto on the timestream comments for that one if she was the actual Tardis). But how would she kill the Doctor? If the Valyard (kill me if my old Who knowledge is crud, it’s mainly been by osmosis through the internet) is anything like the Doctor, it won’t be defeated by River, as cunning as she is.
Feel free to kill me now, both for idiocy and for bracket abuse.
about 1 month ago
If, IF, River is amy…
Well 1. River is another word for Pond (Amy Pond)
2. River Song = Lovers Ring (engagement/wedding ring)
And finally 3. River and Amy get on really well as if they have known each other for like ever!
Just some random speculation anyway!! ;) :P
about 1 month ago
And number 4. River and Amy wear the exact same watch (A thin strapped, gold one)
I dont know, might just be a wardrobe problem
about 1 month ago
I like the TARDIs idea and the TARDIS has been acting a bit flakey lately. But my own theory is that River Song is the final Doctor. Each incarnation of the doctor has been a bit ego-centric and fairly reflects a huge admiration for themselves. Consider that in “past episodes, when the Doctors overlap a timeline of each other there is some competition and rivalry. Now a figure from the future with much admiration for the 10 and 11th Doctors appears and helps these younger versions. And I am convinced that River song’s hair is a bit ginger colored. But I would be sad as this thought would indicate an end soon to be for the Doctor.
about 1 month ago
Taken from above, I like the idea of her being the TARDIS exept for one problem, somewhere mentioned above it was said that the TARDIS 108 can comilianis itself into a moble figure but the doctor origionally stole the type 40. Perhaps he updated his enough to fix itself to that point when it regenerated, I just dont know. Another is that River is from the future so she knows whats going to happen so when she was in the TARDIS why was she unknown to the problems at hand?
about 1 month ago
River being the tardis would explain alot, but if this is correct, how will they explain the fact that river and the tardis have been in contact with each other and crossed timelines- the doctor has warned rose about this before in fathers day- but contrary to this advice she touched her younger self allowing further damage to be done. However, maybe the explosion on the 26/06/2010 was a result of their timelines crossing- for no reason the tardis took river to amy’s house- but maybe the reason was the TARDIS malfunctioned as river- the future TARDIS was alone in the past TARDIS.
Also, proposing this is true, I shudder to think how the doctor and various companions travel in the TARDIS…
Sorry, this proberbly is a badly puncutuated and spelled and an infantile remark-it was just a musing- i am 13 and just interested in the subject.
about 3 weeks ago
I just REALLY don’t see any way that River could be the Tardis. I don’t know why the Doctor would “tell” the Tardis his name. It is psychic and would already know. I don’t know why the Tardis (River) would talk about how the doctor would snap his fingers and go flying off in the tardis. I don’t know why the Tardis would get in itself and fly itself (series 5 finale). No way.
about 3 weeks ago
omg i soo think that the doctors name is geronimo because he sends that to river and therefore if that is his name he has told her (:
about 3 weeks ago
and also there is possibility that river is sarah jane smith haha dont forget about her (:
about 2 weeks ago
I like your theory and that was a theory of mine before reading it, too. It’s not that unlikely – I mean, if a companion could absorb the Time Vortex, anything can be. I also though they had shown us the Doctor’s daughter is alive for a reason since that episode ended.
One thing that I couldn’t stand is her being the Doctor’s wife because that’s really too unoriginal for me.
I *hope* she’s the TARDIS.
about 2 weeks ago
the idea of river being the tardis..far fetched but a great concept…why not,anything can happen in the universe of doctor who.rose touchin her younger self(no perviness intended) and damaging reality is the same as amy din the same when she came out of the pandorica,and also the doctor touchin himself in the same episode…this has happened many times over the years and only when rose done it that damage has happened…the whole idea that moffet was doin was,as the docotr put it that “time can be rewritten”,meaning that whatever happened before the cracks of time no longer happened,which also means that whatever happened to the doctor with the timelords,or omega,or the rani,no longer can apply…but then again,river happened b4 the cracks and is still remembered.i thought the idea of the doctor being brought back in a memory a bit too cheesey,but,if that happened,then everything else from the giant robot to the daleks in london can all be remembered again…theres always floors in doctor who and othe tv shows,but dont think that should ruin it for everyone bein inconsistant,after all,he is a time lord,a time traveller,and could restore all things at a later time…the villyard and omega could also have been rewritten with the reccent events,but the doctors memory of all he has done can also keep the old adventures still a part of time…confused…not likey…the doctors daughter to return,why not,could be river,but jenny died in that episode and came back to life and never regenerated,so mite be impossible to change into anyone else,but its an idea…i would love to see the last 3 or 4 doctors combine in a story,hasnt been done for years,and think it could bring something new and ingenious to the foe…new enemies are great,weeping angels,a great idea and one of my reccent faves…the slideen…not to keen.the silence…ant ideas who and what they can do that is so ferocious and deady to the doctor…onlt moffet knows…he may even steel some of our ideas…lol…great ideas indeed
about 2 weeks ago
Don’t know if this is relevant, but at the beginning of The Sontaran Stratagem, The Doctor is teaching Donna how to ‘drive’ the TARDIS.
about 2 weeks ago
I enjoyed your theory so much I shared it on our Facebook fan page High Council of Timelords. I like the way you think, sir.
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about 1 week ago
I have a question that I would like to ask a very interesting question and I’d love an answer if one can be made. If River Song was put into a virtual world during Forest of the Dead, which we know she was, then how is it possible that in Time of the Angels she’s already met him, but he has yet to meet her? If the River Song in the fifth season isn’t the same one in the fourth, than how can she know that he hasn’t met her?
about 1 week ago
J. Smith, “Forest of the Dead” is the Doctor’s first meeting with River, and her last meeting with him.
“Time of Angels” is his second meeting with her, but we don’t know which time it is for her; we do know that it’s before “Forest of the Dead”, because she’s yet to become (or pose as) a professor, but it’s not the first time for her, either.
They’re both jumping about in time, so their meetings are not going to match up.
It’s the same River Song, you just have to puzzle it out a bit. ;)
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