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	<title>Comments on: Long-Term Test: 4e D&amp;D, Part One</title>
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		<title>By: Elton</title>
		<link>http://greywulf.net/2009/11/long-term-test-4e-dd-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-3420</link>
		<dc:creator>Elton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My problem with 3.0 was how everyone treated the OGL.  Everyone made derivative works of Wizards stuff, but not everyone else&#039;s stuff.  My problem with 4.0 is not the game itself but the GSL.  You can make derivatives of Wizards stuff, but . . . To tell the truth, I&#039;d rather take the entire Lawyer Team, FORCE THEM to work out an agreement that makes D&amp;D 4e Public Domain, and then kick them out.
:)
.-= Elton&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://elton-atlantis.blogspot.com/2009/11/there-goes-us-constitution.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;There Goes the U.S. Constitution!!&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My problem with 3.0 was how everyone treated the OGL.  Everyone made derivative works of Wizards stuff, but not everyone else&#8217;s stuff.  My problem with 4.0 is not the game itself but the GSL.  You can make derivatives of Wizards stuff, but . . . To tell the truth, I&#8217;d rather take the entire Lawyer Team, FORCE THEM to work out an agreement that makes D&amp;D 4e Public Domain, and then kick them out.<br />
:)<br />
<span class="cluv"> Elton&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://elton-atlantis.blogspot.com/2009/11/there-goes-us-constitution.html" rel="nofollow">There Goes the U.S. Constitution!!</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://greywulf.net/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Hymn Collections For The Week Of 11/1 &#171; The Spirits of Eden</title>
		<link>http://greywulf.net/2009/11/long-term-test-4e-dd-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-3419</link>
		<dc:creator>Hymn Collections For The Week Of 11/1 &#171; The Spirits of Eden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] •Greywulf has a piece on his long-term experience with 4e. He began with feelings of anger and apprehension but slowly came to enjoy the new edition. I was pretty excited for 4e, and despite not being terribly excited with 4e products nowadays, I am still extremely excited with the edition itself and playing with it, and reading what people are doing. Not only that, Greywulf&#8217;s being a tease at the end with that cliffhanger. I anticipate thrills and chills, Wulfy. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] •Greywulf has a piece on his long-term experience with 4e. He began with feelings of anger and apprehension but slowly came to enjoy the new edition. I was pretty excited for 4e, and despite not being terribly excited with 4e products nowadays, I am still extremely excited with the edition itself and playing with it, and reading what people are doing. Not only that, Greywulf&#8217;s being a tease at the end with that cliffhanger. I anticipate thrills and chills, Wulfy. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Random Bystander</title>
		<link>http://greywulf.net/2009/11/long-term-test-4e-dd-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-3418</link>
		<dc:creator>Random Bystander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>don&#039;t mean to spa this blog, just thought I&#039;d coment on one more thing

4e brings the simplicity back with the Powers (most of the time, at least) clear and concisely written with any corner cases left for the GM to decide right at the table.

I may be an anarchist, but that&#039;s one of the things that ticks me off in 4E. There is NO more need for the DM to adjudicate anything. &quot;You inflict [W] and push one square&quot;. Not much space for interpretation, or better, for imagination, for finding new way to use the power in a different way than &quot;pushing&quot;.
Now, let&#039;s take a simple 3E spell &quot;you create an illusion...&quot; omg... are you ready to write a book about those 4 words?
PS: and gief CHARM spells back...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don&#8217;t mean to spa this blog, just thought I&#8217;d coment on one more thing</p>
<p>4e brings the simplicity back with the Powers (most of the time, at least) clear and concisely written with any corner cases left for the GM to decide right at the table.</p>
<p>I may be an anarchist, but that&#8217;s one of the things that ticks me off in 4E. There is NO more need for the DM to adjudicate anything. &#8220;You inflict [W] and push one square&#8221;. Not much space for interpretation, or better, for imagination, for finding new way to use the power in a different way than &#8220;pushing&#8221;.<br />
Now, let&#8217;s take a simple 3E spell &#8220;you create an illusion&#8230;&#8221; omg&#8230; are you ready to write a book about those 4 words?<br />
PS: and gief CHARM spells back&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Random Bystander</title>
		<link>http://greywulf.net/2009/11/long-term-test-4e-dd-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-3417</link>
		<dc:creator>Random Bystander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in a more serious note, I want to add a small experience, something that happened to me a few days ago. So, my main party has swithced to 4E, but with some other ppl we keep a 3.5 game going on. I play a Warblade (the nearest thing to 4E I could find), we also have a Wizard and a Druid. Now, during some nasty fight, the Wizard polymorphed in a Behir (a multi-legged grappling-master lizard), and copletely owned some boss that was kicking our arses. Yes I know, it&#039;s &quot;unbalanced&quot;, Wizards rule and all. But even for me, standing by watching, it looked freaking cool. I always imagine this things with my mind-eye, while I play. And somehow I feel I won&#039;t see this again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in a more serious note, I want to add a small experience, something that happened to me a few days ago. So, my main party has swithced to 4E, but with some other ppl we keep a 3.5 game going on. I play a Warblade (the nearest thing to 4E I could find), we also have a Wizard and a Druid. Now, during some nasty fight, the Wizard polymorphed in a Behir (a multi-legged grappling-master lizard), and copletely owned some boss that was kicking our arses. Yes I know, it&#8217;s &#8220;unbalanced&#8221;, Wizards rule and all. But even for me, standing by watching, it looked freaking cool. I always imagine this things with my mind-eye, while I play. And somehow I feel I won&#8217;t see this again.</p>
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		<title>By: Random Bystander</title>
		<link>http://greywulf.net/2009/11/long-term-test-4e-dd-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-3416</link>
		<dc:creator>Random Bystander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was driving a good car, and I used it every day, and it was fine. Sure, sometimes it wouldn&#039;t start, or a light went off, but all in all, it brought me from A to B, and, most important of all, I felt comfy in it. Then this brand new car came out, and you know, I HAD to buy it, because, man, I&#039;m a sucker for cars! So I put my old car in the garage, and I went around with my Brand New Cool Car, and I had loads of fun driving it. And it brought me from A to B. And I felt quite comfy in it. And this time the light didn&#039;t go off, but maybe I had a problem with the radiator, or the wipers weren&#039;t really working properly. All in all, a good car. Like my old car. Only... new.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was driving a good car, and I used it every day, and it was fine. Sure, sometimes it wouldn&#8217;t start, or a light went off, but all in all, it brought me from A to B, and, most important of all, I felt comfy in it. Then this brand new car came out, and you know, I HAD to buy it, because, man, I&#8217;m a sucker for cars! So I put my old car in the garage, and I went around with my Brand New Cool Car, and I had loads of fun driving it. And it brought me from A to B. And I felt quite comfy in it. And this time the light didn&#8217;t go off, but maybe I had a problem with the radiator, or the wipers weren&#8217;t really working properly. All in all, a good car. Like my old car. Only&#8230; new.</p>
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		<title>By: by_the_sword</title>
		<link>http://greywulf.net/2009/11/long-term-test-4e-dd-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-3415</link>
		<dc:creator>by_the_sword</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have yet to play 4th edition even though i own many of the books.  I love the simplicity of the new system but it&#039;s hard to get my grognard players into a game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have yet to play 4th edition even though i own many of the books.  I love the simplicity of the new system but it&#8217;s hard to get my grognard players into a game.</p>
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		<title>By: Etherrider</title>
		<link>http://greywulf.net/2009/11/long-term-test-4e-dd-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-3414</link>
		<dc:creator>Etherrider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have certainly enjoyed 4e as a DM.  I did a module for an Eberron campaing which had a vampire caster of moderate level as the key NPC....it took hours!

I re-did it for 4e...literally minutes (I think about 20 or so in research and 10 to write up).

My group loved it from the 1st and had many of them back interested for the 1st time since 2e days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have certainly enjoyed 4e as a DM.  I did a module for an Eberron campaing which had a vampire caster of moderate level as the key NPC&#8230;.it took hours!</p>
<p>I re-did it for 4e&#8230;literally minutes (I think about 20 or so in research and 10 to write up).</p>
<p>My group loved it from the 1st and had many of them back interested for the 1st time since 2e days.</p>
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		<title>By: Neuroglyph</title>
		<link>http://greywulf.net/2009/11/long-term-test-4e-dd-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-3413</link>
		<dc:creator>Neuroglyph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Completely agree with Thunderforge - the way Wizards and Sorcerers grow from useless things to the lords of combat was a major disparity that has been fixed neatly in 4e.

It&#039;s funny that someone also mentioned the same thing I had experienced several times: around level 11 or 12, the amount of work to generate a single scenario became so cumbersome in 3.5 that it stopped making sense to play it.  Which is a shame, because 3.5 was a great game, and alot of work went into it.

D&amp;D 4e is just better written and w hole heckuva lot kinder to DMs!
.-= Neuroglyph&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.neuroglyphgames.com/?p=563&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dungeons &amp; Dragons: Inspirational Reading&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Completely agree with Thunderforge &#8211; the way Wizards and Sorcerers grow from useless things to the lords of combat was a major disparity that has been fixed neatly in 4e.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny that someone also mentioned the same thing I had experienced several times: around level 11 or 12, the amount of work to generate a single scenario became so cumbersome in 3.5 that it stopped making sense to play it.  Which is a shame, because 3.5 was a great game, and alot of work went into it.</p>
<p>D&amp;D 4e is just better written and w hole heckuva lot kinder to DMs!<br />
<span class="cluv"> Neuroglyph&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.neuroglyphgames.com/?p=563" rel="nofollow">Dungeons &amp; Dragons: Inspirational Reading</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://greywulf.net/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: drow</title>
		<link>http://greywulf.net/2009/11/long-term-test-4e-dd-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-3412</link>
		<dc:creator>drow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>penny for the guy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>penny for the guy?</p>
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		<title>By: Nero</title>
		<link>http://greywulf.net/2009/11/long-term-test-4e-dd-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-3411</link>
		<dc:creator>Nero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bah, Graywulf, you will hate e4 again in a month or two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bah, Graywulf, you will hate e4 again in a month or two.</p>
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